
Every tradition has an official story, and then it has the people who actually treat patients. In this conversation with James Flowers, a historian, anthropologist, and practitioner of East Asian medicine, we ask a simple question: where did the Saam organ pairs come from? The answer, it turns out, is surprising.
That mystery opens onto what James calls the conundrum of singularity and diversity in East Asian medicine. We follow it from the Confucian kings of the Joseon dynasty, who declared prevention the best medicine, through the Japanese occupation and a century of rebellious Korean doctors, all the way to the treatment of Covid.
Along the way, we weigh standards against clinical experience, consider who holds the authority to say what’s right, and ask whether Saam medicine is Buddhist or Confucian at heart.
Listen in for a conversation that moves between royal courts and modern clinics, canon and experience, and the lingering question of what medicine is and who gets to decide.
Embrace reverence for the teachings in the old texts, while at the same time embrace irreverence by striking our own paths. With our own agency, we create and innovate medicine since our own clinical experience is our best teacher.

Dr. James Flowers
I am a Chinese Medicine practitioner and historian of medicine. I am currently a Brain Pool Research Fellow at the Climate-Body Institute, Kyung Hee University, and serve as Vice-President of the International Association for the Study of Traditional Asian Medicine. I am also Director of the International Society of Oriental Medicine and East Asia Editor of Asian Medicine. I hold a PhD in the History of Medicine from the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Previously,
I operated my clinic in Sydney, Australia. I also taught Chinese medicine at the Western Sydney University and Sydney Institute of Chinese Medicine. I also served as the President of the Australian Acupuncture and Chinese Medicine Association for nine years.
I have published articles in journals such as the Social History of Medicine, and Asian Medicine. My current book project explores Eastern medicine in Korea during the first half of the twentieth century.
Visit James Flowers’ website to learn more.
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