
Chinese medicine sits at an interesting crossroads, part clinical craft, part philosophical inheritance. Its practice of listening before concluding speaks meaningfully to how we meet the people who come through our doors.
In this conversation with Evan Pinto, we explore the relationship between emptying the mind and seeing a patient clearly. We look at how a few quiet breaths before entering the treatment room door can change what we perceive on the other side.
We also discuss the difference between fixing a patient and holding space for them, and what it means to wait until someone is ready. We also appreciate the humor and playfulness of Zhuangzi as a counterweight to our profession’s tendency towards seriousness.
Listen in for a conversation on integration, trust, depth, and what it means to stay curious about what we don’t yet understand in the practice of this medicine.
A sick system produces sick patients. Healing at every scale, from one person to an entire nation, follows the same principle. Act with the natural grain rather than against it, and when you align with the flow of life, the system begins to heal itself.

Dr. Evan Pinto
I am a Doctor of Acupuncture and Chinese Medicine, originally from New York City, where I completed my clinical training at Pacific College of Health and Science. I advanced my studies with the WFAS in Beijing, and in 2012, I moved to Shanghai where I live and work to this day. After an internship at Shu Guang Famous Doctor Hospital in Shanghai, I started teaching at Shanghai University of TCM and later served as a Professor at the SMIC Institute of Traditional Chinese Medicine in Manila.
I have authored several books that bridge TCM with biomedicine and Daoist philosophy. My meditation book, Get In The Way, combines guided meditations with treatment for common conditions. I’ve also published a trilogy on integrated medicine. All Three Ways covers difficult and resistant patients in book 1 – The Useless Way, practitioner cultivation in book 2 – Think of the Way, and global wellness policy in the final book – The Way Through. I have also co-authored The Complete TCM Cookbook Series, which is based on Five Elements nutritional theories. In Shanghai and Beijing, I often give talks and classes on TCM, and teach anatomy for yoga teacher trainings.
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