Spending time in the clinic seasons us. It exposes us to success, failure and unending questions about healing, wellbeing and connection that over time can help us to sit with our patients in the midst of deep difficulty. In this conversation with Rebecca Avern we discuss the fortitude that must be developed to sit with the difficult to answer questions that arise in clinic. And how clinical work, while it deepens and enriches the lives of our patients and ourselves, does extract a kind of price. It would not be untrue to say doing our work is a privledge, and it also brings a certain kind of shadow. Listen into this conversation on presence, inquiry, and listening with your qi. As well as a look at the shadow side of practice.

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